Minnesota fraud hearing sparks immigration clash as GOP lawmaker spotlights Somali welfare data

Rep. Brandon Gill, R-Texas, wasted no time in peppering witnesses at a House Oversight Committee hearing on Wednesday about the Somali community's role in alleged widespread fraud uncovered in Minnesota.

In an exchange with Brendan Ballou, a former federal prosecutor and Democrat witness, Gill highlighted a series of ways in which Somalis showed a statistical reliance on government support programs in Minnesota.

"Do you know what percentage of Somali-headed households in Minnesota are on food stamps? 54%," Gill said.

"Do you know what that number is for native Minnesota-headed households?" Gill asked.

Ballou began to respond but was cut off by more questions from Gill.

"Well, to be clear, a majority of -" Ballou began. 

"It's 7%," Gill interjected. "There's a big difference between 54% and 7%, no?"

"You're using the phrase 'native Minnesotans' - the majority of Somali Minnesotans are as Minnesotan as any of us. They were born in the United States," Ballou fired back, noting that there could be some overlap between Gill's numbers.

Gill pushed on.

"What percentage of Somali-headed households are on welfare in general? It's 81%," Gill said. "After ten years of being in the United States, what percentage of Somali immigrant households continue to be on welfare? The number is 78%."

While Republicans have stressed a need to tackle fraud writ large, the Somali community has come under special scrutiny.

According to Oversight Committee Chairman James Comer, R-Ky., investigators have charged 98 defendants - 85 of whom are of Somali descent.

Gill pressed Ballou on whether Somalis made Minnesota a stronger state. 

"Doesn't sound like something that makes our country stronger to me. And I think most Americans would agree with me on that," Gill said.

Gill also questioned witnesses on whether Democrats potentially stand to benefit from the Somali community's support.

"Would you say this is, that the Somali population is an important demographic for Democrats to win over politically?" Gill asked Walter Hudson, a Republican Minnesota state representative.

"Unquestionably," Hudson responded.

"Got it. Do you think it would have hurt Democrats' political standing with the Somali population to investigate this fraud? You're saying that there was a political incentive to cover up widespread Somali fraud. Is that right?"

Hudson again confirmed Gill's thinking.

Democrats at the hearing, such as ranking member Robert Garcia, D-Calif., pushed back on Gill's characterization, warning about drawing a blanket accusation across the board on Somalis in Minnesota.

"When people commit fraud and people get hurt, there's going to be repercussions, as there should be. We want to hold foreign fraudsters accountable. We want to protect the victims, innocent, innocent people so those that can access services and continue to access services across this country. That's how it should work," Garcia said.